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Heylo everyone, and happy Friday Eve!! I've been posting fic and screeching around on DW for a while now, so much so that I've made the decision to transfer most (if not all) of the fic I've posted on AO3 to here!!

The snag I've run into is that I DO have quite a few chaptered fics that I've written, and I was wondering if anyone had any advice on some ways that folks have posted chaptered fics to DW? I did a search and couldn't find much of anything for this specific scenario, so figured I'd ask here just in case! Thanks in advance!! ^ o^)/ đź’•

EDIT 5/7/25: Thanks so much for all the input thus far, everyone!! [personal profile] abyssal_sylph shared this post from [personal profile] amiserablepileofwords , so I'm linking it here just in case it can help others who stumble upon this post!! Cheers! ^ __^)b

EDIT 7/16/25: Circling back to link another method from [personal profile] zavodilaterrarium for the curious!! Thanks so much for sharing all the resources, everyone!! ❤️

Date: May. 8th, 2025 04:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] abyssal_sylph
IDK if you've already seen this, but this post by [personal profile] amiserablepileofwords might be an option.

Date: May. 8th, 2025 06:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] abyssal_sylph
No problem <3 ^_^

Date: May. 8th, 2025 05:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] soc_puppet
I typically make each chapter a separate post; I'm not usually that focused these days, but if I were, I would probably think to add links between chapters to each post as well. (Suddenly remembering that I used to do that, several fandoms ago, when I was regularly writing a specific multichapter fic...)

Date: May. 12th, 2025 03:00 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] drinksglue
I'm here late. All I can say is thank you for putting the link in your edit! I've been looking to crosspost my fic here from AO3 as an additional backup, but I've got one that's already 32 chapters long and will probably be somewhere over 50 by the time it's done. So I definitely feel your pain when it comes to posting multi-chapter fic to DW! I've been at a loss as far as organization goes, but I think that link's a great place to start.

Thank you!

Date: May. 12th, 2025 03:14 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ysabetwordsmith
I'm so happy to see more people crossposting their fiction to DW! With so many sites going down, becoming unreliable, locking everything to current members only, etc. it becomes more important to have the fic available on the site where you are reccing it and generally have it in multiple places hoping they don't ALL fail.

Re: Thank you!

Date: May. 12th, 2025 03:39 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] drinksglue
It's definitely a good idea to have things backed up on multiple websites these days. Not only that, but I know some people have reading preferences! Some like AO3's format more, others prefer to stay on Dreamwidth.

I don't intend to lock my AO3 to members only, but you never know when something happens. Even if it's short term! What if someone wants to read my fics, hasn't downloaded them, and AO3 is down for maintenance? It would be convenient for them to have an alternative option to read them!

Re: Thank you!

Date: May. 12th, 2025 08:02 am (UTC)
ysabetwordsmith: Cartoon of me in Wordsmith persona (Default)
From: [personal profile] ysabetwordsmith
>>I don't intend to lock my AO3 to members only, but you never know when something happens. <<

That used to be an option, but after the rules change last year, you have to be a current member to read things. I can't get in anymore. It's frustrating, because a lot of people wanted to use it as an archive where everyone could see their work.

>> Even if it's short term! What if someone wants to read my fics, hasn't downloaded them, and AO3 is down for maintenance? It would be convenient for them to have an alternative option to read them!<<

Exactly.

Re: Thank you!

Date: May. 12th, 2025 09:24 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] drinksglue
>> That used to be an option, but after the rules change last year, you have to be a current member to read things. <<

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but what did AO3 itself change? I've been using it regularly and haven't noticed any differences in engagement by people posting comments on my fics as Guests and leaving anonymous kudos. I thought the main issue was that a lot of people were starting to manually lock their works due to the AI scraping issue, which unfortunately would have the same frustrating effect for a lot of people.

And while I entirely get why people are doing it, I don't know how much good it would do to lock your works when they've already been scraped, hence why I'm choosing not to punish my readers by locking mine. The main fandom I write for has too many people who read and kudos and comment without an account due to fear of backlash, so I'd hate to take it out on them.

Re: Thank you!

Date: May. 12th, 2025 08:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] drinksglue
The spam is definitely a huge problem. Not just "AI could do this better" but also fake accusations of "Grok detected, a shame this work was written with AI!" and since it's usually guest accounts, the best you can do is delete them when you get them.

My whole thing is that my works have probably already been scraped. I hate that. But locking them isn't going to un-scrape them. Some people might have a different outlook and decide that locking is the right choice for them and I get it. I wish something would be done about it.

Re: Thank you!

Date: May. 12th, 2025 09:58 pm (UTC)
ysabetwordsmith: Cartoon of me in Wordsmith persona (Default)
From: [personal profile] ysabetwordsmith
>> OH GOD YEAH, I'd seen a few folks get that and with already having knowledge of how much work they put into their writing, it felt like the equivalent of spitting in someone's favorite drink xD <<

I agree, that's cruel. But it's really just a minor variation of previous iterations in which people who can't write get their thrills by picking on people who have written, or bigots bashing all the gay romance novels where the queers don't die at the end. Haters gonna hate, just ignore them.

>> And agreed, it sucks b/c it's not much that can be done after it's been scraped, and I honestly wish something could've been done about out it sooner.<<

Locking your work does make it marginally harder to scrape in the future, but realistically, nothing electronic is ever secure. It is only easier or harder to access.

>> orz My only silver lining is that the AI that scraped all that fic get short circuited by all the crazier works xD <<

Imagine you're trying to write a research paper for Psychology about alpha personalities, and the chatbot spews out 10 pages of ABO pr0n with sniffing, biting, gallons of cum, knotting, and assbabies.

... that would make a hilarious story.

This is why my blanket statement includes an admonition not to use my work to train AI, a warning that I fry technology, and a declaration that if anyone uses my work and it causes problems then that is entirely their responsibility.

Re: Thank you!

Date: May. 13th, 2025 01:50 am (UTC)
ysabetwordsmith: Cartoon of me in Wordsmith persona (Default)
From: [personal profile] ysabetwordsmith
>> Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but what did AO3 itself change? <<

They changed the rules in the user agreement, then demanded that everyone sign the new one. Since then, if I try to look at the site, all I see is that demand notice, not any content. The same has happened to other people. I've seen others say that you can read content without being a logged in current member, but then some of those have later clarified, "Well, you do have to sign the form once." Which means being a current member. It may be that some other people are still able to see content without being a current member, but if so, that number is smaller than it used to be. Because of those effects, I wouldn't call it as accessible an archive as it used to be.

This is separate from authors having the option to lock their work to members only, which they always had; but if what an author wants is to reach as many people as possible, that's much less feasible now.

>>I don't know how much good it would do to lock your works when they've already been scraped<<

It would make it harder to steal things again in the future. But realistically, nothing online is secure. It is merely harder or easier to access.

Re: Thank you!

Date: May. 13th, 2025 07:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] drinksglue
Ah, I see. I guess that's all the encouragement I need to continue crossposting on my Neocities too, and not just Dreamwidth. Might also do SquidgeWorld Archive as an additional backup, since I haven't heard anyone having any issues with accessibility there. Thanks for the heads up.

Re: Thank you!

Date: May. 13th, 2025 08:25 pm (UTC)
ysabetwordsmith: Cartoon of me in Wordsmith persona (Default)
From: [personal profile] ysabetwordsmith
You're welcome, and thank you so much for spreading your work around.

I've been in fandom long enough to have seen many, many losses of work in massive swathes every time a popular platform collapses or locks to members only. :(

Date: Jul. 16th, 2025 08:15 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zavodilaterrarium
Don’t know how welcome of a suggestion this is, but you’d ever wanna have multiple chapters in a singular post (most likely if you’re uploading something that’s already completed), you could try something like I did here https://zavodilaterrarium.dreamwidth.org/3491.html, or more simply like here https://zavodilaterrarium.dreamwidth.org/3011.html? It makes it feel like multiple pages instead of one, and is compatible with mobile (at least from what I can tell).

(If someone reading this wants a basic explanation) You can look at the page source code for more detail, but it starts from creating a div box that hides anything that doesn’t fit into its size limit. Using <a name=“whatever-name-you-want”> link address markers and a matching <a href=“#whatever-name-you-want”></a> within the div will jump to a different part of the post, changing what shows. Adding a separate div inside to actually hold the content but adding “overflow: auto” instead of “overflow: hidden” to the style attribute will let you scroll and see the rest of the “auto” section, but not everything under the “hidden” section.
Edited (Links didn’t work for some reason? Also forgot something in the HTML examples.) Date: Jul. 16th, 2025 08:19 am (UTC)

Date: Jul. 16th, 2025 11:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zavodilaterrarium
I didn’t know about it either until I saw [personal profile] zoomieyo’s posts! I’ve been having a lot of fun playing around with it :D

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